DeanoB
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numerous reasons...I was taught if given a 2nd shot...take it, and that was with a rifle in Montana. I don't think we should argue or point fingers at fellow sportsmen. "Cheater Season" ~ elitist attitude much? similar to the fly fisherman and bait fisherman debate... we're all outdoorsmen.
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Steve Plantz
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So now we have bow hunters and gun hunters arguing? This is not a good thing and not what this forum is about? What would non hunters think when they saw 2 guys arguing in the woods on whose method is better etc etc? I bow hunt and gun hunt when I have an open tag, I respect both,period.As far as people calling people using the "cheater" season,let it go and rephrase yourself.I dont diss you cause your in the woods 37X a season.Do you hunt pheasants with flu flu arrows or do you cheat? Some guys hunt 2 days a season cause thats what they chose and do it with there weapon of choice. Some dont have the time. Lets respect each other ok.
I could not agree with you more, as sportsmen we need to become more united and stop arguing amongst ourselves, there are people out there that want to take away the outdoor sports away from us and those are the people that we should have a problem with. There is strength in numbers and together we can win the battle waged against us by the people that want to take away all the outdoor sports that we all love so much.
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sipple31
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I agree that we should not be cutting one another down for our different tactics, nor be elitists. I threw in my driving deer thing at the beginning of this thread because I have a really bad taste in my mouth for that type of hunting. I have grown up stand hunting with my Dad and Brother, trying to manage land to get good sized bucks... while my buddy grabs as many people as possible, (sometimes upwards of 20) and pushes a piece of land with the theory of "if it's brown it's down". It's pretty hard to manage a herd when you have neighboring land being hunted like that.
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Jason White
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I understand you want to manage your land--but why are your goals more important that those of the hunters around you? If they are just out to fill tags for meat--great for them!
--Whitey
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sipple31
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I guess I never thought of it that way... thanks for another perspective.
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Steve Plantz
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I understand you want to manage your land--but why are your goals more important that those of the hunters around you? If they are just out to fill tags for meat--great for them!
--Whitey
You can look at it another way also, his goals are not just important for him but they are important for all deer hunters and the health of the deer heard. In most areas the buck to doe ratio is way out of wack so much in some areas that it is not healthy for the heard. In these kinds of areas more guys really need to think about taking out more does for the good of the heard. I have nothing against meat hunters but why not fill those tags with does instead of small bucks? Not only will you let that young buck live one more year but you will be helping to balance the heard at the same time. I do not consider myself an elitist I am just a guy who wants to do what is best for the deer heard, by filling doe tags and letting young bucks walk I am helping to balance the heard and hopefully going to see a few more mature bucks in the woods in the future. My reply is not a slam on anyone just throwing in my two cents worth.
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AmWatson
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To truely balance the deer herd, gender should not even be considered. A deer is a deer is a deer. Both sexes eat the same food, take up the same space, and are basically equal in all ways when it comes to habitat.
The only thing gained by being gender specific, is self satisfaction and gratification, period.
I am not slamming on anyone's views here, but habitat management is way different than QDM. Two very different practices with two different tactics to achieve the respective goals.
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Steve Plantz
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Sorry Mike I have to respectively disagree with you, I am not talking QDM I am talking about selective harvest. In my area the buck to doe ration is at least ten to one and that is being conservative. In order to have a healthy heard you need a balanced heard, when you take a doe you are taking more than one deer you are also taking out the fawns that she would have had come spring.
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Edited by Steve Plantz (11/17/08 08:14 AM)
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sipple31
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In response to AmWatson;
What you say is true, but not if you are trying to increase the amount of mature bucks on your land. If you shoot a young buck, there goes the possibility of a shooter in the next few years.
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protourbaits
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i have to agree w/ steve. Taking out a doe takes out 3 or more deer if you consider the doe and her 1-3 fawns she births in the spring. That is huge if you consider taking 3-4 does a season. With that said, the deer population is decreased by 12 or more by the next year or year after  Increasing food for the rest of the heard, decreasing buck to doe ratio and increasing rut activity and growing bigger bucks 
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Lip Ripper
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i have to agree w/ steve. Taking out a doe takes out 3 or more deer if you consider the doe and her 1-3 fawns she births in the spring. That is huge if you consider taking 3-4 does a season. With that said, the deer population is decreased by 12 or more by the next year or year after Increasing food for the rest of the heard, decreasing buck to doe ratio and increasing rut activity and growing bigger bucks
Right on ProTour. They are far from equal. You let a buck walk you let one deer walk. You let a doe walk you let a 2-3 deer walk. A doe, a doe fawn and a doe buck walk, by percentages if she is healthy enough to have 2 off spring.
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DeanoB
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Killing 1 doe eliminates 3 deer? Maybe, not proven. Killing a buck kills one deer? maybe, but bucks are required for mating, so? From what I saw hunting around the state this year, from Sept 13 - yesterday. they (MN DNR) need to review these seasons, and limits again. man there are very few deer over in the 200 zone (old zone 4). and now it's a 9 day season? I guess we're trying to eliminate the deer herd not manage it over there. You look at Whitewater, and it is a free for all on bucks, but a lottery for does? Shouldn't this be flipped around? maybe we need to have a lottery for bucks in certain areas instead? Meat hunters (no offense) shouldn't care, and would be happy to thin the doe population. Trophy buck hunters should be thrilled at the opportunity to get drawn and shoot a record book class deer. I know the DNR is in a tough position, and everyone will not be happy, but let's elimate one of these firearms seasons, and have a 7-9 day normal firearms season like every other state. Keep the muzzleloader seasons and archery seasons as they are. just my opinion.
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Jason White
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I do agree with killing does for the freezer. In fact I have a rule for the group I hunt with that the only bucks killed are those that will go on the wall. That is unless you have never killed any deer or never got a buck-then shoot it. I just don't expect the neighboring land owners to do the same as me--as long as they are doing things legal I could care less how they manage their hunts.
--Whitey
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ERonningen
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DeanoB- Even if buck X gets killed and does not get to breed any does, there is an extremely high chance that a doe in any given area will get bred, even if there was only one buck to 20 does. They'll come back into heat until they get pregnant.
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Steve Plantz
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DeanoB- Even if buck X gets killed and does not get to breed any does, there is an extremely high chance that a doe in any given area will get bred, even if there was only one buck to 20 does. They'll come back into heat until they get pregnant.
Could not have said it better myself.
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Steve Plantz
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From what I saw hunting around the state this year, from Sept 13 - yesterday. they (MN DNR) need to review these seasons, and limits again. man there are very few deer over in the 200 zone (old zone 4). and now it's a 9 day season? I guess we're trying to eliminate the deer herd not manage it over there.
From what I hear the number of kills are down all over the state, area 200 gets hit hard with large groups doing drives and there is allot of corn that is not out yet, same thing in area 300. Just because you are not seeing deer does not mean they are not over populated my guess is they are hiding out in the corn.
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I know the DNR is in a tough position, and everyone will not be happy, but let's elimate one of these firearms seasons, and have a 7-9 day normal firearms season like every other state.
That would cause more problems than it would solve, first you would have way too many hunters in the woods at one time, if you think Whitewater is a free for all now can you imagine how bad it would be if there was only one season and now you have the fist season guys and second season guys all hunting Whitewater at the same time! 
The second problem you would have is allot of first season guys would lose hunting land or vise versa. Allot of land owners also hunt themselves and they let others hunt there land during the season they do not hunt, if you go to one season land owners that hunt will not let others hunt there land when they are hunting it themselves.
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fish_4_fun
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I agree with steve, one season will only cause more problem. I think that if your talking about number of deer killed, it should be limited to bag limit, which is one buck and that is good. in terms of season, spread it out like how it use to be with sections and different seasons. the same amount of deer is still harvested, but the people can choose when they want to hunt.
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